Tuesday, July 25, 2006

 

We're not standing with Israel

A poll for The Guardian suggests 61% of Brits believe Israel has acted "disproportionately" to the threat it faces against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Since this is the Guardian its tempting to assume this is just the usual suspects on the Left, but sadly I don't think it is. The poll goes on to say even 68% of conservatives believe Tony Blair's position on this is too close to that of President Bush (and it is safe to say that "yo Blair" incident didn't help).


The British Conservative Party also seems to be following its leftward lurch in domestic policy with a similar change in direction in foreign policy. Even American conservatives have noticed this, with a typically accurate post on David Frum's blog:



This week... Cameron’s front bench indulged itself in the most serious attack to date upon its friends: this time, an attack upon US-UK diplomacy in the Middle East, upon George Bush, and upon Israel as it defends itself against terror attack.



This is because Tony Blair was openly mocked on the Conservative benches for being unwilling to "stand up to" Bush, and an admission from Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague that Israel's response has indeed been disproportionate (that specific word was used).


This was not however as bad as it got. 'Liberal Democrat' leader Ming Campbell had the following bile to spew:



The Government is right to ensure there are no arms transfers, either direct or indirect, from the UK to Syria, Iran or illegal armed groups such as the military wing of Hizbollah ... The Government must now comply with its own arms export rules and institute an immediate suspension of all UK arms exports to Israel



A moral equivalence is drawn between Israel and Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Tories may be doing their best to cuddle up to elitist opinion in Europe on this, but you still won't see such alarming idiocy from them as seems manditory for a liberal.


Without doubt, the UK isn't standing with Israel as I believe it should be. But there is still a minority who sees Israel's fight as our broader fight, a fight against Islamofascism. This pro-Israel rally in London shows not everyone is suffering from pancake-on-the-brain syndrome


Comments:
One of the problems with these kind of arguments is that nuance is often lost. I would be quite happy to see every single member of Hezbollah killed. I do however worry about the effect on Lebanon of the Israeli action, as it is sure to damage the normalisation process.
 
We Can't stand shoulder to shoulder with the murder of civilians, period.

Under previous Israeli PMs the Golan Heights were taken from Syria, giving greivance to Hezbollah and leading to the late President Assad (the current ones father) allegedly funding terrorist groups.

An International force in Southern Lebanon could be the precedent for an expansion into the Golan at a later date as part of a comprehensive peace settlement between Israel and its neighbours outside of the Levant (UN Mandatory Paklestine territory). Cut the funding and external support and negotiation is easier between Israel and Palestine.

From that you destroy the recruiting grievances of Al Qeada and save lives the world over.
 
Of course the death of civilians is tragic on either side. But to say no cause can be just because mistakes are made must mean that war can never be justified. Are you a pacifist James? Israel drops leaflets and always gives prior warning it is coming, and I believe it is doing its best.

I haven't the slighest clue what an international peace keeping force will achieve. It will be seen as just another occupying force and do nothing to ease tensions, and meanwhile Hezbollah is saved from IDF fury and can regroup for genocidal intentions at a later date.

Think of all the innocents who will die should Israel be prevented from doing what is needed, as Iran will gain dominance in the region should its puppets claim political victory
 
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